Redlove Era Apple is Red All The Way Through

[Sothenes]

Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

http://www.shoppingblog.com/blog/718106

In the link is a picture of a Redlove Era Apple that was cross polinated by someone who spent twenty years doing this. It is red on the inside and it doesn't brown like regular apples. I wonder if it is like green granny apples but only red. The question is, does God see it as good?

[GMpilot]

If God sees a tsunami or an oil spill as no big deal, but gets irritated over a new breed of apple...then the question becomes, what is God's sense of priorities?

[admin]

You wrote: "If God sees a tsunami or an oil spill as no big deal, but gets irritated over a new breed of apple...then the question becomes, what is God's sense of priorities?"

And you know this...how?

[Sothenes]

Originally Posted by GMpilot

If God sees a tsunami or an oil spill as no big deal, but gets irritated over a new breed of apple...then the question becomes, what is God's sense of priorities?

A pastor believes that God wouldn't object if it tastes good.

In the Genesis account, there was nothing that God created bad. The tree produces after its kind so there is a good chance that ithe Redlove Era Apple is good because it produces after the Apple kind.

My question was only hypothetical.

I haven't quizzed God in the matter but since God knows the number of hairs on my head then He knows what is going on.

29 Not even a sparrow, worth only half a penny, can fall to the ground without your Father knowing it. 30 And the very hairs on your head are all numbered. 31 So don't be afraid; you are more valuable to him than a whole flock of sparrows.-Matthew 10:29-31 NLB

As far as priorities go, when you ask God for judgment, you should be careful in praying for judgment because we all deserve judgment. For God to judge, He knows the end from the beginning. He knows the future so when He judges His judgments are righteous and true. It would seem that God was mean for wanting to wipe out the Amalekites but Herod was an Amalekite and Herod put children to death (Matthew 2:16). Esther 3:1 is another example. Haman wanted to put the Jewish nation to death and king Ahasuerus was a descendent of King Agag who was an Amalekite.

1 Samuel 15:8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.

Back to my point...We've all fallen short of God's glory so if you want God to judge everything then there is no repentance, no redemption, no mercy, not many chances, etc. I pray for God's love, mercy and grace.

[GMpilot]

admin: And you know this...how?

By following the rules of science, of course.

First, By observation:
God sees a tsunami or an oil spill and does nothing to alleviate it or its effects.
Some have said he causes calamities (Isaiah 45:7), but there is wide disagreement on this.

Next, by hypothesis:
If God sees a tsunami or an oil spill and does nothing to alleviate it or its effects, then to him it's no big deal.

The next step in the process is to make prediction(s) based on the above two:
(a) God has a sense of priorities, and (b) they are not the same as ours.
Even the Big Book o' God concurs with this (Isaiah 55:8).

Finally comes the test:
What are God's sense of priorities, that he would ignore large-scale death and/or destruction, but devote his attention (and approval!) to the development of a new strain of apple?

That is a question I cannot answer, because I am supposedly barred from knowing God's ways. Being one of the elect, Admin, perhaps you can answer.

Of course my hypothesis may start from a false premise, and in fact, there is no God to begin with. If so, any speculation on whether God sees this new variety of apple as 'good' is useless, and so therefore is my hypothesis. But I prefer to deal with an actual, existing apple than a possibly existing God.

Proceed!

[GMpilot]

Sothenes: A pastor believes that God wouldn't object if it tastes good.

A pastor believes anything God directs him to believe. But it's not the pastor's approval of the apple that you were wondering about, was it?

In the Genesis account, there was nothing that God created bad. The tree produces after its kind so there is a good chance that ithe Redlove Era Apple is good because it produces after the Apple kind.

My question was only hypothetical.

So was mine.

I haven't quizzed God in the matter but since God knows the number of hairs on my head then He knows what is going on.

And all the other events in the world haven't made him lose count, either! That's amazing!

29 Not even a sparrow, worth only half a penny, can fall to the ground without your Father knowing it. 30 And the very hairs on your head are all numbered. 31 So don't be afraid; you are more valuable to him than a whole flock of sparrows.-Matthew 10:29-31 NLB

As far as priorities go, when you ask God for judgment, you should be careful in praying for judgment because we all deserve judgment. For God to judge, He knows the end from the beginning. He knows the future so when He judges His judgments are righteous and true. It would seem that God was mean for wanting to wipe out the Amalekites but Herod was an Amalekite and Herod put children to death (Matthew 2:16). Esther 3:1 is another example. Haman wanted to put the Jewish nation to death and king Ahasuerus was a descendent of King Agag who was an Amalekite.

1 Samuel 15:8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.

It sounds to me as if Agag and the Amalekites were less valuable to God than even a single sparrow. Of course, it was their own fault, for living so many centuries before Matthew could come along and tell them otherwise.
Herod was only a man, not the alleged King of the Universe, and I hardly need to remind you that YHWH also put a whole nation's children to death. Harnon faced real threats from other nations, but Israel claimed Divine protection...and anyway, who could possibly threaten the Lord God?

Back to my point...We've all fallen short of God's glory so if you want God to judge everything then there is no repentance, no redemption, no mercy, not many chances, etc. I pray for God's love, mercy and grace.

According to Christian doctrine, God does judge all at the end (Admin is constantly reminding me of this), and very often he doesn't wait until 'the end'...he does it right now, usually to the Christians' enemies, and sometimes to the Christians themselves. Try doing a Google search on "God's judgement" plus some recent disaster/calamity, and see how many hits you get.
I've seen it applied to everything from a plane crash in which some well-known non-Christian dies, to the heart attack suffered by the Israeli PM because he just happened to give the Palestinians some slack in territory negotiations, to (of course) 9/11/01, to the fall of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. I've never heard it applied to...oh, the eradication of smallpox, for example.

You observed that a new strain of apple has been developed, and ended with : "The question is, does God see it as good?" My question is, "Given God's past record, do his priorities lie with the apple, or something else?"

If you wanna talk just hypotheses, I'd be pleased to join you. But I'd prefer to deal with those quoted questions you posted some months ago. It seems you have the time now.

Anyway, proceed!

[Sothenes]

Originally Posted by GMpilot

It sounds to me as if Agag and the Amalekites were less valuable to God than even a single sparrow. Of course, it was their own fault, for living so many centuries before Matthew could come along and tell them otherwise.

No. I think God considered other people more valuable than the Amalekites.

Or would you have a problem living in Nazi Germany or would you be happy living in China? I hope you look up the Chinese Constitution. Even I needed help understanding their Consitution because you won't without knowing their history. I'm sure they're nice people but I received an email from an engineer who lives in the region and he/she said the Chinese believe they are the master race. I'm still thinking about that one because I can't find any evidence nor was any offered to me when I asked for more information. The jury is still out on that one. It seems that the people in that part of the world believe in ancestrial worship so the Chinese have control over parts of the world like Japan and others who want access to the homeland where their ancestors are buried. The fact is that you might be living a better life if we didn't have to provide defense against stuff like this:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...r-expert-says/

People are saying that China will regain Taiwan by 2012 and because the American people can't tolerate 2,000 deaths in Afganistan, that and other reasons I think China will get Taiwan.

I learned a few things about Communism in college. My economics professor went over to the Eastern Block countries and when he was in the market place, he found money on the ground. Apparently money was a coupon for getting in line.

You can tolerate these people groups but until you live under those systems, don't tell me their systems are totally better.

[GMpilot]

admin: And you know this...how?

Actually, admin, I didn't say I knew anything.

What I said was, "If God doesn't do X, but he does do Y, what are his priorities?"
But since you were so hot on this, you got an answer on how I would know, assuming there was a God and he behaved that way.

According to legend, God was traumatized by an experience the First Couple had with an apple, so he might not approve of the Redlove Era. Sothenes may be right to wonder about that.

[GMpilot]

Sothenes: No. I think God considered other people more valuable than the Amalekites.

Yes! God considered the Hebrews more valuable than the Amalekites, and because he did, he commanded the Hebrews to destroy them all (1 Sam 15:3)*. As I said, all the Amalekites and all their stuff were not worth even a single sparrow to him. I hope you don't mean to deny this.

Or would you have a problem living in Nazi Germany or would you be happy living in China? I hope you look up the Chinese Constitution. Even I needed help understanding their Consitution because you won't without knowing their history. I'm sure they're nice people but I received an email from an engineer who lives in the region and he/she said the Chinese believe they are the master race. I'm still thinking about that one because I can't find any evidence nor was any offered to me when I asked for more information. The jury is still out on that one. It seems that the people in that part of the world believe in ancestrial worship so the Chinese have control over parts of the world like Japan and others who want access to the homeland where their ancestors are buried.

No, the Chinese don't ' have control over parts of the world like Japan'. For many decades, in fact, the opposite was true. China figures into Japanese defensive strategy far less than the DPRK (North Korea) does; whatever China says could be fatal for Korea to ignore.

The 'master race' belief isn't limited to totalitarian governments. The Hebrews believed it too. To this day they're referred to as the 'chosen people' even by people who don't share their belief.

The fact is that you might be living a better life if we didn't have to provide defense against stuff like this: [snip]

Ho hum. Even FOX admits that US defense experts aren't losing any sleep over the Dong Feng 21D. A carrier is an offensive weapon—and an F/A-18D Super Hornet has a range of over 900 miles all by itself, which is enough to find and destroy such a missile on the launch rail. From the look of it, it would take about 30 minutes to set up and launch a Dong Feng, and in that time a carrier can launch its entire air wing—80 planes or more—at the target.

I don't know what all this has to do with apples, but:

I speak neither German nor Chinese, nor do I look German nor Chinese. I've visited both countries, though, and although I could learn to live there, I'd probably prefer Germany. (Nazi Germany, of course, no longer exists.)
I've tutored English to Asian students, and one student I knew was a Chinese fellow whose father was a mid-level Party official. He told me about the Chinese seeing themselves as a 'master race', and that they consider China to be, basically, wherever a Chinese person is standing.

I do know enough of their history to know why they think that way. China has one of the oldest and longest-running civilizations in history: almost six thousand years, back to the beginning of the world (heh, heh). They have always referred to their country as 'the middle kingdom' (meaning, between hell and heaven). Many of the things now common, not only in the West, but worldwide, were first developed by the Chinese. In many ways, they invented civilization. They sent explorers and merchants as far west as the Caspian Sea, where they fought, and later traded with, the Roman Empire; and they had a very high level of culture not equaled in Europe until the Renaissance.
But I also know that for many centuries, China was also referred to as 'the sick man of Asia'. Foreign invasions as well as civil wars have always plagued their history. The famous Great Wall was built to keep Mongol invaders out; but by the time the Wall was completed, there was a Mongol emperor on their throne.

As many Asian cultures do, they turned inward, preferring the status quo. When Europeans came to their shores in the 15th century, they were not ready. Just for fun, Sothenes, look up the Opium Wars of the 1840s and Britain's part in it. Explorers came, followed closely by merchants, missionaries and power-hungry misfits, who practically chopped up China among them. Even Japan got a piece of the action. This ultimately led to the Boxer Rebellion, as depicted (dramatically but inaccurately) in the 1963 movie 55 Days At Peking.

It might help to remember that when the Communists took control in 1949, there were still many Chinese who remembered the Boxer uprising.
Of course, Japan invaded the country in 1931 on a manufactured pretext. Although they set up a puppet state (Manchukuo), they never managed to control more than one-third of the country, mostly the cities. One of the reasons Japan ultimately went to war with Britain and the USA was that they were trying to break the deadlock the China war had forced them into.

I hope you got all that, because there will be a quiz later.

People are saying that China will regain Taiwan by 2012 and because the American people can't tolerate 2,000 deaths in Afganistan, that and other reasons I think China will get Taiwan.

Well, people at FOX might be saying that. I don't.
The American public isn't upset over just the 2000 deaths in Afghanistan: it's because after nearly nine years and all that blood and treasure, we still haven't nabbed the man we supposedly went in there to get. Since we've also spent seven years in Iraq in pursuit of WMDs that didn't exist, people are understandably frustrated.

I learned a few things about Communism in college. My economics professor went over to the Eastern Block countries and when he was in the market place, he found money on the ground. Apparently money was a coupon for getting in line.

I learned a few things about Communism in the military; it was somehow more immediate there. Your professor must have visited the Warsaw Pact countries before 1990, then. Things are different now.

You can tolerate these people groups but until you live under those systems, don't tell me their systems are totally better.

Their systems are totally better? When did I say anything like that?
But most of all, what has all this to do with the Redlove Era apple??

*By the way, did I mention that God punished Saul for not killing King Agag? God really did not like Amalekites!